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totalrelism



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:44 pm    Post subject: Only Christianity explains death and suffering Reply with quote

In all the worldviews in the world only Christianity explains the origins of death and suffering. It is one of the reasons I am a christian and not say, a Muslim.


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"I could never myself believe in God, if it were not for the cross. The only God I believe in is the One Nietzsche ridiculed as “God on the cross.” In the real world of pain, how could one worship a God who was immune to it? I have entered many Buddhist temples in different Asian countries and stood respectfully before the statue of the Buddha, his legs crossed, arms folded, eyes closed, the ghost of a smile playing round his mouth, a remote look on his face, detached from the agonies of the world. But each time after a while I have had to turn away. And in imagination I have turned instead to that lonely, twisted, tortured figure on the cross, nails through hands and feet, back lacerated, limbs wrenched, brow bleeding from thorn-pricks, mouth dry and intolerably thirsty, plunged in Godforsaken darkness. That is the God for me! He laid aside his immunity to pain. He entered our world of flesh and blood, tears and death. He suffered for us. Our sufferings become more manageable in the light of his. #There is still a question mark against human suffering, but over it we boldly stamp another mark, the cross that symbolizes divine suffering. ”The cross of Christ . . . is God’s only self-justification in such a world” as ours. . . . “The other gods were strong; but thou wast weak; they rode, but thou didst stumble to a throne; But to our wounds only God’s wounds can speak, And not a god has wounds, but thou alone.”
John Stott,The Cross of Christ p 235-236




According to the bible sin caused separation from god, he is no longer is with us. All the once very good creation now is falling apart. Death disease etc have entered everything is wearing old. God is perfect and cannot be around sin. He has to judge sin because it is imperfect. The original perfect creation was destroyed by mans sin, Everything bad that happens according to the bible ultimately is caused from separation form god . God chose to give man free will that is the only way to have a true loving relationship. Does this mean if I go get drunk and crash my car god did it? not at all this is my will not his, we have free will thats why we pray to god your will be done on earth as it is in heaven, matt 6 .10. Gods will is not done here on earth ours is, god is no longer fully in control of creation he has given to man [Proverbs 18 -17]. That is why when Jesus was around he spent time fighting disease death etc. the bible says death is the last enemy that will be defeated Corinthians 15.26. When people asked Jesus if the 13 people that were builders died because they sinned in Jerusalem he said no, sometimes bad things happen to good people the whole creation is under this. So the bible teaches a original perfect creation free of death suffering as god created until sin and separation from him.

god has to judge to be just. if he allowed us to do whatever we wanted kill each other etc there would never be a heaven or paradise. it would really be no different than now. But God hates sin and cant be around it, so really all suffering death etc. is a consequence of being separated from god. according to the bible.

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but your iniquities have made a separation
between you and your God,
and your sins have hidden his face from you
so that he does not hear.
Isiah 59.2

For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness,
Nor shall evil dwell with You.
Psalm 5,4



It is no longer gods creation

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Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”
matt chapter 4 8-9




It is no longer gods creation it was given to man, psalm 8.6,gen 1 26-28 jesus calls the devil the prince and ruler of this world. In John 18 36 jesus says I am not of this world In matt 4 8-9 god is not the ruler of this world.
God gave us free will to accept or deny him we chose to deny. he could have made us all perfect pray all day always do the right thing follow all his rules. But thats not love god wants us to chose to follow him out of love which only comes with free will.Only when god is in full control when his will is done that there will be no more wars and only peace.


What it will be like when he is in full control


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Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John,[a] saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.”
Revelations chapter 21 1-5


he will swallow up death forever.
The Sovereign Lord will wipe away the tears
from all faces;
he will remove his people’s disgrace
from all the earth.
The#Lord#has spoken.
Isiah 25.8


The wolf will live with the lamb,
the leopard will lie down with the goat,
the calf and the lion and the yearling[a] together;
and a little child will lead them.
7 The cow will feed with the bear,
their young will lie down together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
8 The infant will play near the cobra’s den,
the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest.
9 They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,
for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the LORD
Isiah 11 6-9


1 The vision that Isaiah son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem: 2 In the last days he mountain of the LORD's house will be established at the top of the mountainsand will be raised above the hills.
All nations will stream to it, 3 and many peoples will come and say,"Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us about His waysso that we may walk in His paths."
For instruction will go out of Zionand the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.4 He will settle disputes among the nations and provide arbitration for many peoples. They will turn their swords into plows and their spears into pruning knives.Nations will not take up the sword against [other] nations,and they will never again train for war.
Isaiah 2 1-4



when death happens

when believers die it is precious in the lords sight,because they enter into a true relationship with him with no sin or separation [psalm 116.15]. Also when they die they are brought away from A evil world.

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The righteous perishes, And no man takes it to heart; Merciful men are taken away, While no one considers That the righteous is taken away from evil.
Isiah. 57:1





The gospel

This is why Jesus was sent as a perfect sinless sacrifice to god, to cover the sins of man by putting there faith in him,it is the only way for a perfect sinless all loving god to save a sinful people, because we all sin
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God [Romans 3.23].Picture god as a judge [he is] and he is a all loving and forgiving judge but also a perfect holy judge ex 34 6-7. To be a judge and fair and if he truly is sinless and hates sin[as a all loving just god would] than he cannot allow any sin to go unpunished he must judge all sin or he is not all just or a fair judge, so how can we make up for our own sin? how could we not face punishment? and separation from god. That is when god as all loving came into history and his creation and died as a willing sacrifice to take the just punishment we deserved on himself so he can spend a eternity with his creation whom he loves and still be all just. we are justified freely and eternal life is a gift from god given to all manRomans 3 9-11 eternal life is gift given Romans 6.23 [many other passages]

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5 But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
Isiah 53 5-6


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24 and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.
1 peter 2. 24

21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
2 Corinthians 5.21


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"The Lord is not willing that any should perish but that all should reach repentance" (2Pet. 3.9).

"He desires all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth" (1Tim. 2.4).

"'Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked?,' says the Lord God, 'And not rather that he should turn from his way and live? For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone,' says the Lord God. 'So turn and live! Say to them, "As I live," says the Lord God, "I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn back, turn back from your evil ways. For why will you die?"'" (Ez. 18.23,32; 33.11).



so all we need to do is accept the perfect sacrifice that Jesus was and we are cleansed of our sin and forgiven by god.


of course there will be many that see this as foolishness

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18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
1 Corinthians 1.18

But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him
1 Corinthians 2 .14

14:1#The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”
psalm 14.1
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TheTimMan



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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2016 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Praise Tim!
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peterzabriskie



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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good witness....I am thinking short and too the point might get a reply from T.A.

I am thinking of relating to Tim an idea:

God is the quantum force that binds all and is everywhere at all times (love?). Which if we're not careful and mix two Strange quarks (not-love) together the World will collapse like a junkyard '56 Ford,

AND:

Jesus was the man at the switch saying," believe in me,God is love. Don't touch that switch".
But now all we have is a wood stick.
A wood stick that used to hold a sign.
A sign that said, "Jesus was here".
Still means, "DONT TOUCH THAT DARN SWITCH!"
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only touch the switch if its got more power!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. God is the creator and is in control of all
2. God created the world perfect
3. God gave man free will as there cannot be love or faith if we were cosmic puppets
4. Man chose darkness ( evil, sin in the garden)
5. God is holy, therefore we now as sinners cannot be presented, or speak with god without being redeemed through a sacrifice to purify
6. Christ came as the redeemer and was crucified and shed blood to wash away our sins to purify us to be presentable to God
7. All things now decay and or dies as a result of our sin
8. This is why bad things happen to good people
9. The promise from GOD is that we will physically die but our souls will be resurrected with our bodies at judgment day created new and perfect no pain, no sorry, no death if we believe in him, ask for forgiveness.
10. On earth we are not separated from GOD, He is always with us, He never forsakes us, We forsake him.
11. For unbelievers at judgment day they will be separated from God forever, That is hell, Complete darkness in the fiery pit ( GOD is Light so if you are separated there is no light)
12. Most all religions believe Jesus existed, the issue is who they say he is
13. Some say he is a prophet, some say he is a teacher, some say he was a good man, some say he was a lunatic or the devil
14 He says HE is GOD, HE is the Life and those who believe will reign with him forever, Miracles and the bible are to provide evidence for faith
15 The difference between evangelical Christianity and all other beliefs is that Jesus is GOD, He became Man, Was crucified, Arose, ascended and will come back to judge.
16. Jesus says he is the only GOD, the only way to heaven
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